tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.comments2020-10-31T03:45:10.767-07:00The Responsible DetectoristDetectorblokehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comBlogger241125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-38809439231004870852015-01-19T06:04:42.302-08:002015-01-19T06:04:42.302-08:00I guess I'll have to take it that Andy IS defe...I guess I'll have to take it that Andy IS defending metal detecting per se then. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-21133550103411494842015-01-17T21:12:44.865-08:002015-01-17T21:12:44.865-08:00Well Andy, doesn't my confession deserve more ...Well Andy, doesn't my confession deserve more than silence?<br /><br />All we are saying is that metal detecting SHOULDN'T take place other than in accordance with some best practice rules. We can certainly debate the detail of what those rules should be but surely the principle is correct? You seem to be drifting into defending metal detecting per se rather than "best practice metal detecting" which is surely not justifiable is it?<br /><br />If you believe in "responsible detecting" what do you propose should be done about those who don't? (Please don't use the E word (educate), it hasn't worked for 20 years and I'm tired of financing it!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-88187189688626763652015-01-13T19:41:37.663-08:002015-01-13T19:41:37.663-08:00"Admit it, you do not think it is right that ..."Admit it, you do not think it is right that anyone can buy a metal detector and gain legal permission to search and recover items and unless it is all done the way you think it should be done"<br /><br />Guilty as charged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-10425209461691343962015-01-13T12:06:22.450-08:002015-01-13T12:06:22.450-08:00No, heritage action are not Joe public, heritage a...No, heritage action are not Joe public, heritage action like to label themselves as amateur archaeologists, amateur being a keyword there.<br /><br />The fact of the matter is that as much as you guys deny it you DO want metal detecting banned unless regulated and kept within parameters set by a controlled archaeological dig. Admit it, you do not think it is right that anyone can buy a metal detector and gain legal permission to search and recover items and unless it is all done the way you think it should be done then you will whine and moan.P2Pinvestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031753975898233577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-61734914212614668012015-01-13T09:35:29.534-08:002015-01-13T09:35:29.534-08:00"Joe public can spend a couple of hundred qui..."Joe public can spend a couple of hundred quid and find something important, I like to call this jealousy."<br /><br />But the members of Heritage Action are Joe Public so your theory doesn't work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-40106392264621240612015-01-13T06:46:18.994-08:002015-01-13T06:46:18.994-08:00I think we can denounce that when the term anti-de...I think we can denounce that when the term anti-detectorist is used it is used to refer to someone who tries to impose and force feed his/her views on a metal detectorist when they themselves are not metal detectorists. 'Anti-detectorists' for some reason have real trouble in admitting that they hate metal detecting unless it is used in a restrictive manner during an archaeological investigation conducted by trained professionals. For want of better terminology 'anti-detectorists' can't stand the fact that Joe public can spend a couple of hundred quid and find something important, I like to call this jealousy.<br /><br />Regards<br />Andy P2Pinvestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031753975898233577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-72585084863426757592015-01-13T05:26:57.486-08:002015-01-13T05:26:57.486-08:00fair point in a sense although I don't equate ...fair point in a sense although I don't equate anti-detecting with being a hater but more perhaps those who have concerns about it's impact. In hindsight however I accept that I shouldn't have distinguished between detectorists and anti detectorists as i'm a detectorist who is anti some detecting practice but that doesn't make me anti detecting. <br /><br />Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-2487679422998490842015-01-13T05:16:44.216-08:002015-01-13T05:16:44.216-08:00You write: "that there are these conflicts in...You write: "that there are these conflicts in whether things were done properly or not as it only fans the flames of the anti-dectorist brigade"...<br /><br />Things were not done properly, and are not being done properly, and this is what those who criticise the current form of the hobby are talking about. Just dismissively to label them all "haters" or "anti-detecting" is irresponsibly to dodge a number of important questions about current heritage policy and the way it is being implemented. To what degree is the pro-PAS spin true, and to what degree does it not relate to overall reality? These are not "anti-detecting" questions, they are questions to which everybody who cares about the heritage and has a stake in it is owed an answer. <br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-88897116503807447352015-01-13T04:26:28.272-08:002015-01-13T04:26:28.272-08:00Apologies, deleted one reply as realised i had sai...Apologies, deleted one reply as realised i had said 'aren't constructive' when i meant 'are constructive'<br /><br />I'm not sure if you're asking me the questions Paul re in what way should it be privileged and protected from scrutiny as I think i've made it clear that no organisation should be.<br /><br />Looking at where practice could be improved is to me a sign that an organisation wants to improve itself. <br />Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-28071660897014359582015-01-13T03:11:45.144-08:002015-01-13T03:11:45.144-08:00The issue raised is why you glibly label "ant...The issue raised is why you glibly label "anti-detecting brigade" those who wish "detectorists and clubs would think about whether they could do anything better"? I do not see why it is "no bad thing to admit errors" but a bad thing when somebody spots them and points them out. It's "no bad thing" to show how one might improve the next time", but a bad thing when people say there should be an improvement? Responsible detecting is what is tolerated, but we have to be clear, it is "responsible" not in word alone but deed. It is also responsible which is the vast majority of practitioners and not ten percent. On the video I heard not a single voice saying ":guys, I think we should stop" - did you? And how many on the forums afterwards say "but you should have..."? <br /><br />Is it the people who say "it's all bullshit, don't listen to them, mine's a pint" or those saying "there are problems here which need addressing" that are "the anti-driving brigade"? Why is discussing the issues and criticising errors and bad practice "anti-detecting"? <br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-16437697696668827952015-01-13T01:17:22.460-08:002015-01-13T01:17:22.460-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-62564096672769040442015-01-13T00:58:55.050-08:002015-01-13T00:58:55.050-08:00There are people who drink and drive or drive reck...There are people who drink and drive or drive recklessly, there are those who sit back and let their friends do it and say we should not talk about it, because they are, after all their "mates" and in the words of another detectorist last night, "it's all bullshit anyway". Then there are those that say that there are problems, and that we should be doing more to address those issues. Which ones would you say are "the anti-driving brigade"? <br /><br />In what way should bad-practice and irresponsible artefact hunting be privileged and protected from scrutiny and why? Because it is uncomfortable to admit it exists and persists? <br /><br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-79355344459339443912015-01-12T23:47:00.418-08:002015-01-12T23:47:00.418-08:00Your concerns are perfectly valid but you will get...Your concerns are perfectly valid but you will get criticism for "letting the side down" but good for you for standing up for something bigger than your particular "side". <br /><br />I don't know of an "anti-dectorist brigade" (do name names and cite evidence if you know of any) but I do know of some "Best Practice enthusiasts" some of whom are detectorists. Looks like they've just been added to. I think you may need a tin hat very soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-39619232834772174612015-01-07T01:25:21.230-08:002015-01-07T01:25:21.230-08:00Haha thanks, best I stop now then ;) Would be nice...Haha thanks, best I stop now then ;) Would be nice to see if any fellow detectorists disagreed with what i was saying. Hardly controversial one would have thought.Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-10956357963311752582015-01-06T23:58:18.567-08:002015-01-06T23:58:18.567-08:00I'd go further. Just leave the stuff with him ...I'd go further. Just leave the stuff with him (it's his). Let him take independent advice on it's value and/or archaeological significance at his leisure. Come back in a month when the two parties have achieved knowledge parity and decide what happens next.<br /><br />Mr Responsible Detectorist, if you keep on like this we may publicly invite you to join the Heritage Journal and you'll end up with no friends and a lot of accusations of elitism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-33588225669775708552015-01-06T03:55:48.576-08:002015-01-06T03:55:48.576-08:00whilewhilePaul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-55071279142170111912015-01-06T03:55:21.079-08:002015-01-06T03:55:21.079-08:00"Beehive thimbles, buckles, spurs, crotal bel..."Beehive thimbles, buckles, spurs, crotal bells and all sorts of other things can be commonly found by detectorists and can be worth a fair few quid"<br /><br />As we all know. So, when a detectorist approaching a farmer for search and take permissions (and then later when showing what has been found), they should be doing so with an up to date copy of one of the standard price guides (Benets, Mills, or the valuation pages of the hobby magazines) in front of them, so the landowner is fully appraised of what it is they are giving away. That is the only responsible approach.<br /><br />As some of us have been saying a wile now, just acting dismissively, "oh, I don't want to take up your time, they're not really worth much, a couple of quid the lot at most, you don't want to bother, here's some chocolates for the wife and a bottle for you" is simply dishonest. In aggregate dozens of even mundane artefacts have a value. <br /><br />Why the PAS is not giving landowners advice on this as part of their public outreach (which includes to landowners) beats me. <br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-30605280283441093512014-12-31T12:11:35.249-08:002014-12-31T12:11:35.249-08:00Thanks andy and janner. Hope u get some good stuff...Thanks andy and janner. Hope u get some good stuff andy.Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-39774321673316717402014-12-31T04:39:53.779-08:002014-12-31T04:39:53.779-08:00Happy New Year to you and yours Detectorbloke.
Not...Happy New Year to you and yours Detectorbloke.<br />Not been able to get out myself over the Christmas as all I seemed to have been doing is running around, working and sleeping. Nice to see you got out and rewarded with a ring and some coins. The ring looks good, fingers crossed it is gold.Janner53https://www.blogger.com/profile/15831701206639509937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-59434089910875559352014-12-30T23:49:10.917-08:002014-12-30T23:49:10.917-08:00Ey up detectorbloke good to see you back!
Well do...Ey up detectorbloke good to see you back!<br /><br />Well done on the finds, it will be good to find out what that ring is once its cleaned up. <br /><br />Im just about to set off detecting for the first time in a while also. <br /><br /><br />AndyP2Pinvestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031753975898233577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-7855576588904675322014-12-23T14:28:42.608-08:002014-12-23T14:28:42.608-08:00The top pic shows a bloke digging a hoard where he...The top pic shows a bloke digging a hoard where he's most probberly getting paid around £10 an hour for and will milk it all week. The bottom pic shows a pic of a bloke digging a hoard and just out enjoying his hobby. <br />---------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Spot on Janner<br /><br /> A ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-33573993089738987402014-09-26T07:45:14.156-07:002014-09-26T07:45:14.156-07:00Yep would be some story if it was Alexander the Gr...Yep would be some story if it was Alexander the Great. It seems doubfull but you just never know. We are going to have to wait untill they excavate the whole tomb by the sounds of it. They should call in a certain hoard finding metal detecting club, they'd have the whole thing cleared within 5 hours! ....<br />"Saucer of milk table three please"<br /><br />Jordan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-52578091248199897092014-09-26T01:59:52.814-07:002014-09-26T01:59:52.814-07:00Indeed. :)Indeed. :)Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-26417244049563170882014-09-26T00:23:58.949-07:002014-09-26T00:23:58.949-07:00A good job indeed. .
Although I will mention agai...A good job indeed. .<br /><br />Although I will mention again a point I made on another blog..."why is that story still on the forum for all to see, and why was the Roman coin hoard removed?" Strange eh?<br /><br />Jordan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7078096253551678229.post-39201580143263500392014-09-25T11:11:32.059-07:002014-09-25T11:11:32.059-07:00Nah, there was nothing to be gained from a proper ...Nah, there was nothing to be gained from a proper excavation, They did superb job..it took them an hour you know! Just another pot of Roman coins.....Oh wait that's exactly what it is now!<br />A great find with a less than great conclusion. <br /><br />Jordan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com